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A very dark and rainy night on November the 2nd of 1966, a man who was in the Sarsman.

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The name of Woodrow Derenberger was driving on I-77 between Marietta, Ohio and Parkersburg,

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West Virginia on his way home when he was encountered by a flying saucer.

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According to his story, he met the man therein and he has not experienced the same kind of life since.

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It has significantly changed his life and what is very strange about this story is that it has changed many other lives as well.

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It has captured the fancy and the imagination of the entire country as well as the parts of the entire world.

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We would like you to meet America's now most controversial and most seen and heard contactee, Woodrow Derenberger.

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This is Mr. Derenberger here and with Mr. Derenberger is a very charming wife. His first name is Darla.

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May I refer to you as Woody and Darla?

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Yes, a little bit.

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We've been on the air before Woody, but I've never called you by your first name.

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It's perfectly alright. I don't want to be called out anyway.

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If I may. Woody, you have to pick up the story somewhere. You have encountered a flying saucer.

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You've met the occupants of that vehicle and you remain in touch with them.

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Now, can you tell us who is in that flying saucer and what he's doing here?

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At the time that I met this man, I think everybody has heard the beginning of my story.

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The people in the craft were Ingrid, Cole, and Carl Ardow.

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They were from a planet, a world that they call landulus.

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These people are here simply to make friends with us, to set up some kind of a trading pact with the world here,

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and to exchange cultural ideas and views of how we live and in turn, we can see how they live.

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That is the reason that they are here for.

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Why have they contacted only you, Woody, or have they contacted others by now?

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There has been many people contacted.

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There have even been two people here in the Cleveland area, their cell, that have been contacted and talked to these people.

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Quite a few of the people will not release their name for the publicity that they get on this,

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yet quite a few do release their names.

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There are several books that have been published back, so contact these, several fake books have been put out.

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Yes, people that simply write the story for the money they get out of it.

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This is what makes it so hard to actually believe the three stories when they do come along.

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You went aboard one of these craft and you went on a trip with these people.

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I would be interested in knowing what experience you had, what you saw, and how long it took.

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Did you get to landulus at all?

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Yes.

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You saw it?

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I've seen landulus, I was on landulus.

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You were on the ground?

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Yes, I was.

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You got out of the craft on that planet?

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Yes, I was.

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Did you breathe the atmosphere?

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I could tell no difference in that air other than it seemed just a little bit heavier when they were here in this world.

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They explained to me the reason that I felt this difference was simply because the air here is polluted, the air there is not.

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Well, I could breathe.

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I thought they would find a difference by itself.

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I'm sure if I had the opportunity to breathe through air.

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What about the trip? How long did it take to get to landulus?

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The first time that I made this trip to landulus, I was not permitted to get out on the ground.

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I was not permitted off of the ship.

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I left earth at just about 20 minutes after 7 p.m.

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I arrived back on earth just a few minutes before midnight.

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I didn't believe this could be a contrast that passed myself.

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But they explained to me that their traveling was done simply by bending distance and space.

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That it was not actually traveling as we know, although that they told me there was,

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one of the people from earth, a man by the name of McDonald, in San Francisco, California,

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that was right on the verge of discovering this way that they traveled.

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They said they had talked to this man, McDonald, and had shown him quite a few things.

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And that any time that our government and our people will accept them as friends,

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they will give the United States government or any other country in this world the secret of space travel.

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Have you had an opportunity to relay this word to any members of the government?

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I had talked to the officials of NASA.

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I had told them everything that happened to me.

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I told them for one week, every night, one week, I was interrogated by the people of NASA in Cape Kennedy, Florida.

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At the end of one week or six days that I had talked to them, when I got done talking to them on the sixth day,

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they told me I had told them nothing that they had not already known.

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They knew everything that I had talked. They even knew the planet.

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They said they did not know the meaning of Langelos, but they knew the planet I was in.

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They told me they knew everything that I did and a lot more.

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You wouldn't touch with these people today?

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Yes, I have been in touch with these people today.

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Then to the last contact that you had with them, would you?

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With Minnial Telepathy, the last contact I had with them was approximately eight or ten minutes ago.

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You were in the studio?

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Yes, I did.

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Where did you go on?

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I talked to them with Minnial Telepathy while I was sitting around the seat.

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What did they tell you?

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They told me to get over my nervous system, not to be frightened that everything would be all right.

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Well, you're not frightened of me, you've been on the air with me before.

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Maybe they don't know as much about us as they take.

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Well, I think they do, Alan. I think they know quite a bit about you.

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Me?

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Yes, you.

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Have you asked them?

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Yes, I have asked them.

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What did they tell you? I'm dying to know.

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They told me that they had walked on a pasty industry that one of the men had actually talked to you or spoke to you briefly.

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They thought you would be a man that would be contacted personally before too long,

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and the pasty pasty people that identify themselves with you.

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Then from then on it would be up to you what you would do with the information and knowledge you would learn.

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Well, I am now completely in your power, would you?

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And we're going to pause for a moment before I become utterly helpless so that we can earn some money,

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and then we'll be back to talk with Mr. and Mrs. Derenberger.

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You happened to tune in late.

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We're talking with Woodrow Derenberger about his contact with and his association with people from another planet

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and his affiliation with those flying saucers.

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What do you, the information comes to me that you have been followed here by flying saucers out of the vicinity?

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Yes, they're very close in the vicinity.

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I know that this is as hard to believe or maybe harder than to believe in the first and least of contact with the people,

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but I never go anyplace, I never go anyplace at all unless one or two of the space people are very close to me.

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If I travel on the highway, they travel with me. They travel very close.

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If I am in a meeting of this sort, they're also very close.

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These people are very identically like our own people.

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They look just like us today.

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Yes, if you could meet one on the street, you could not tell him from a man that was born on Earth.

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He could be sitting next to you at any time and you would not know it unless he was to tell you or prove to you that it was so.

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What is it that you can contact originally on the 2nd of November of 1966?

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We are now pushing toward two years following that date, over a year and a half now.

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No significant progress has been made even by their time measurements as you relate them to us.

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Why is it taking so long?

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I think there has been a great deal of progress made.

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It may seem so to the general public, but the government itself is getting closer to announce this, to announce what they know on the air.

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There is many more people know of these spacecraft or these people and it's generally thought of by the whole public, taken as a whole.

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Many times I have been asked to prove this story in some way with some material proof with pictures or some medals from these worlds.

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But you do have pictures.

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Pictures I have shown and been called a liar that they were fakes.

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Pictures that were actually taken of the spacecraft and then.

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I quit taking pictures. I don't even have any interest in the pictures anymore.

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But before you throw them away completely, we have some pictures.

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Yes, there is.

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And I think while we're talking, could you roll the monitor out so the audience will have a chance to see firsthand the kind of pictures of what he is talking about.

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This is a 25 second film strip that catches a flying saucer in motion.

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And while they're getting ready, please proceed with your point.

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Well, this kind of proof I did try to and was called a fake and everything.

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So instead of trying to prove it this way, the space people told me that they would prove it for me.

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But if I wanted to, the people that they had landed and talked to me before these certain people from here.

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Yes.

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But I could use them as witnesses to back up my story.

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Now there is two people in the audience tonight that have seen craft at my home in Minerva, West Virginia.

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And I also have with me tonight six Sworn affidavits of people, but was at my home and seen the spacecraft landing,

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seen the people get out of this spacecraft, come and talk to me and then get back in and leave.

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They have also these people, some of these people have also seen me get into this spacecraft and leave and have also seen me return.

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I can get Sworn affidavits for any of these people or at a short notice, two or three days notice,

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I could bring them here on the air and let them travel.

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So you think?

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Let's take a look at the film now that Woody mentioned existed.

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Now we were able to see the monitor over there.

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So if you will, gentlemen, please roll the film.

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There is a, the item is not in the picture as yet.

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The camera is apparently disoriented.

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It must have been in the hands of someone.

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Woody, who is, there it is.

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There is a 16 millimeter film clip that Woody Derenberger brings to us.

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And that is a saucer.

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It seems to be hovering or fluttering, leaf-like motion that some UFO people have told us about seems very much in evidence.

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Who shot those films?

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That was a man that took that film.

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He lives in Point Pleasant, West Virginia.

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He did release the film, but he will not release his name.

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He told me if I use his name, he would see me, so I certainly will not use his name.

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But this man took the picture in Point Pleasant, West Virginia with his wife, with him.

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He was in a pickup truck when he noticed the object he got out and took the picture with a loaded movie camera.

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And that was just what he seen.

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Mr. Derenberger, have you seen these people?

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Yes, I have.

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Have you met Ingrid Colby?

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Yes.

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Were you frightened of them?

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At first, yes.

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How do you feel about them now?

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Some of our best friends.

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Very definitely.

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Do you say you have some avidates with you from people that have seen Woody getting into this craft?

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And this is to whom I may concern.

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This is to certify that I, Grace Beckett, will swear that while at the home of Woody Derenberger,

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did see a spacecraft land on his property and did see three men get out of the craft.

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One looked at the house for about five minutes and then get in the craft and leave Mineral Wells, West Virginia.

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Alan Harris is the same thing, seeing spaceships at the home of Woody Derenberger,

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talked to the space people, have been in contact with the space people for some time.

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I might point out, here's a letter from a doctor, signed MD.

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I, Dr. Alan Roberts, a doctor of medicine, a month of May 67,

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at the home of Woody Derenberger, did see five spacecrafts on his property and did talk with one of the occupants of one of said crafts.

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Totally his name was Demo Hassan from the planet Sarabus.

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That's right.

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That's another planet.

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Alan Michaels, seeing a spaceship from the front porch of his house in West Virginia,

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are also contacted by the space people of the night of the site.

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They also see a spaceship at the Derenberger home and the presence of Mr. Derenberger and so on.

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Is Dr. Roberts the psychiatrist?

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Yes, he is.

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How did you happen to meet Dr. Roberts?

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Nightcap.

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Shortly after this happened to me, Nightcap engaged this psychiatrist to give me a psychiatric examination and also to take what they call an EEG test.

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They, uh, Nightcap did take the results of this test sent it to a clinic somewhere to have it landed.

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It came back that it was normal in every way.

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The EEG was okay?

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Yes.

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They said that, uh, Nightcap refused to release it, said it would just cause more publicity and more people would be saying the same thing.

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What do you mean, for the record?

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Who at Nightcap sicked the psychiatrist on you?

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Uh, there was a subcommittee from Pittsburgh.

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It was headed by Lou Weitzel.

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Mr. Weitzel was the man who was responsible for engaging a Parkersburg psychiatrist and sending him to you.

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Yes.

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Now, Mr. Dr. Roberts, is that the name of the psychiatrist?

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That is right.

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Uh, he's been on the air with you?

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Yes, he is.

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He is a qualified medical doctor who then went on to get his degree and became a psychiatrist.

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I assume he has been himself, is he a psychoanalyst?

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Yes, he is.

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Uh, he himself has been psychoanalyzed and he, who was sent to investigate Mr. Derenberger and sort of do a frontal lobotomy to see if Mr. Derenberger was sane or not, is now one of your staunchest supporters.

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Is that right?

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Yes, because this man has had these space visits since his time to talk to him many times.

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He has talked to them.

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He has even received help in his psychiatric practice from these people.

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It's a very curious aspect of this case.

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We'll be back in a moment.

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We are talking with Mr. Woodrow Derenberger, who is a very fascinating man.

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And Mr. Derenberger, I must share with you a criticism that has been made of you to the effect that it is possible in someone's opinion, another scientific investigator that you have hypnotic powers.

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No, I don't feel that I am being hypnotized.

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I don't know how you feel about it, Mrs. Derenberger.

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Maybe your feelings may be different.

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But an investigator from this area went down to your home when you were living in Parkersburg, in the Parkersburg area, spent some time down there with you.

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They said they saw some evidence of something out there.

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There were some flying saucers or lights they could not explain.

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They acquired no pictures and brought back no evidence.

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And looking back, one of them said, and I will not name him, said that he felt that he must have had some kind of hypnotic influence, or he was somehow hypnotized in some way.

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Would you care to comment on that, sir?

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I know very well the man. Actually, there were two men that you were referring to.

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Well, there were three on that particular list.

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Yes.

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But these men, and I do not care to name the men, even though you don't.

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One of them was her and that, the other was Larry Moyers.

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They came down with the express person, heard this, that they wanted a picture of one of their spacecraft.

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I took them out behind my house in an open field, and I asked Indy Cole if he would bring his ship in.

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He did bring the ship in with them, I would say, between 100 or 200 feet over our heads.

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Earl Lipp and Larry Moyers both had a camera hanging around their necks.

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They stood with their mouths wide open.

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The cameras in their hand never attempted to take any picture whatsoever.

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I asked them repeatedly while they were standing there to take the picture.

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They never did.

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They stood and gazed at it.

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When it was over, they turned around and went back to my house, and without even saying thank you, goodbye, or anything, they clung in the car.

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Personally, face to face, that is the last time I have ever talked to them face to face.

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But they have never, to my knowledge, ever come right out and admitted they need a spaceship or have seen the spaceships.

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Why they won't admit it? I don't know.

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Well, they did on my program now.

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They admitted they said...

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Yes, indeed.

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Yes, indeed, they said they saw lights, and there was no way to explain what they were.

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They saw a...

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By their description, you pointed up and you said there is going to be one right there, and in a matter of just seconds after you pointed, then suddenly a light appeared in the sky, and then they used it.

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There's another one over there, and you pointed up some five or six across the span of the horizon within a given area just above a ridge.

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And they saw them, and then they saw one red one that seemed to traverse the other five white lights.

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And by their story, they left the cameras indoors because it was night and they don't want to take pictures.

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It would not be accurate, sharp, clear pictures.

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And then they said they went out the following day and they covered every inch of that territory by Mr. Neff's word, and that they were able to find no evidence of any rigging.

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They saw no evidence of anybody walking around with balloons or anything that had lights on them, and that there was no way that they could explain, as scientific investigators, of the phenomenon.

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Or how you could have rigged it.

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So what I'm asking you is, Woody, how'd you rig it?

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I didn't rig it only by asking Indercold and his friends to bring their craft in to give these people the chance to take a picture of their craft.

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And I did try to get Indercold to land that night, but they would not land because Mr. Neff and Larry Moyers were only just a couple of the people there.

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Actually parked around my house, hidden around my house were several other people that I still don't know who they were.

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I have had people to ring my house with guns when I wanted a chance to fire, and one of these people are their ships.

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I have actually had people too far at the lights on my property.

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I have had so many people at one time to come to my house that even I couldn't get in the house.

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I had to call the state troopers to come out and clear my house so I could get in.

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Who all of these people are, I do not know, but some of them are just people that wanted to see the spacecraft.

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Some of them were there for no good.

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Woody, at one time you told me that you were able to speak the language of Laniolos, and you did give us an example of how that language sounded.

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Could you repeat that for us?

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Well, I don't remember just what I said, but anything at all would be fine.

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When I would be leaving you to say goodbye, I would simply say, Dear, I did a kapoor, which would mean God go with you.

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Or if I wanted to say goodnight, I would just say, Dika.

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Is that what you mean?

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It's a language that is actually easier to learn than our own language, and it is called the Intergalactic Universal Speech.

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And with other planets, a speech?

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Yes, there are several other worlds that they have told me about.

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They have told me lots of things, and I have never, ever caught one of them in a lie.

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I believe exactly what they tell me. I can trust these people. I would trust them with my life in any way, shape or form.

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They have told me there are many, many worlds throughout the universe, and I believe them.

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What is the religious belief on the Laniolos and the other galactic entities?

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I asked them, the first time that I asked them about their religious beliefs, I asked them what their religion was.

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They didn't know what the word religion meant. They asked me to explain.

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I did ask them if they had a God or gods that they served.

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They said they believed there was one God that had made everything creator of all things that were good, but he had a Son Christ.

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That they served God in the way that God himself had shown them how to serve him.

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They have explained to me the difference between their religion and our religion.

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They both exactly the same except that we talk of our religion. We say we believe and forget it.

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They believe their religion, they live it. That is the difference between theirs and ours.

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The true beginning of God and his Son are exactly the same as ours.

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Is there a name for Christ the same as ours?

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There a name for God is Dea. The name for Son is gone.

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We will go to the audience in just a moment and see what questions arise.

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I am sure there may be some on the part of some of our visitors tonight.

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We will be back to visit with the Derenburgers after this.

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Yes, sir. Mr. and Mrs. Woodrow Derenburger, formerly residents of Parkersburg now living in Washington, DC.

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Our audience I am sure may have questions of Mr. Derenburgers' experience and continuing experiences.

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A gentleman over here on the side.

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Yes, I don't mean to get too personal on this, Mr. Derenburgers, but a technique which has been reported on psychiatrically in a difficult case in the book The 60-Minute Hour

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is one in which a gentleman did, as a matter of fact, an eminent physicist, did envision himself actually traveling to other planets and getting involved with the people on these planets.

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The technique utilized in the psychiatric treatment was a difficult one in which the psychiatrist actually became a part of the entire fantasy to in fact cure this particular individual.

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A very difficult technique and can be disastrous for the psychiatrist.

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My question would be, you have been analyzed. Have you ever been under treatment, psychiatrically?

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No, I have never been under any kind of treatment by a psychiatrist or any other thing. The only serious illness I ever had that I can remember was I had my appendix removed.

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That's the only treatment I've ever had.

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Is it possible to just take the gentleman's question one step further and he probably was ready to ask it himself, that you could be hallucinating or could have been hallucinating on this

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and could be rejoined by your wife and conceivably by a psychiatrist?

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Could I have also been joined by this by a group of 32 people at one time, all seeing the same thing, several groups of people at different times.

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Would they all be hallucinating with me at different times? This would be impossible. It couldn't be done.

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Not to my knowledge, sir.

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Although I wish I had been 33, including me.

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I wish I'd been there.

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Let's go to another question on this side here.

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Would the two other well-known contactees, Betty and Barney Hill, have you ever read of these two people?

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I have heard of these people. I thought that I would get to meet them about two weeks ago, but unfortunately I couldn't.

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But I have asked Enred Cohen about this, Betty and Barney Hill.

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He told me that their story was absolutely true in every detail, but they had not been contacted by his people by a weather that they call humanoids.

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These humanoids, for a long time, back a couple of years ago, if you will remember reading your news about the Europeans, there were some pink ships that were sighted several times.

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Enred told me that this was the people that stopped them. Later I also had a very unmoving experience, because of my wife and her first cousin.

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They were also stopped by the humanoids. Although they took her cousins, they took his shoes, his watch, and his socks, and a flashlight.

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They didn't take either one of them in the ship, but these people, because they stopped her and her cousin, I went out the next night because they came and asked me if I would go with them when these people were spaced to return the object they had taken.

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I did go with them, but I also asked Enred Cohen, Carl Ardo, and Demo Hosson from the Planet Languidus and Service to go with me.

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They did go out and land the ship where I asked them to land it before dark and kept it there until after we got there.

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The humanoid ship did come in, and when they found out that I was with them, they didn't want to return the object.

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So Enred asked me with telepathy to keep their attention until him and Carl Ardo and Demo Hosson get behind them.

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I did talk to the humanoids in the same language that Enred's people uses.

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The other two got it behind them, and then Enred asked us to get them to car and leave.

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We did. We seen the pink ship with Enred's ship following close behind it, leave.

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As he left, he told me with many telepathy that objects would be returned to this other man, and we would never be bothered by the humanoids again.

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To my knowledge, these pink ships have never been seen by anyone since that night.

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You say you talk to these humanoids, the same beings that Betty and Barney Hill made contact with?

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No, the same way that Enred called with the intergalactic language, they did, maybe intergalactic language.

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Well, the story of the hills, if I remember right, they forgot completely about this contact until they were treated by Dr. Simon under hypnosis.

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And this is what brought out this contact with the hills. Have you ever been treated or what treated under hypnosis?

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I have never been under hypnosis. I have had two different psychiatrists to try to put me under hypnosis.

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They tell me that I either fight them off or I have too strong of a will that they cannot get me under.

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I have asked the space people themselves if they could hypnotize me, and they told me they could if they wished that they would never hypnotize anybody against their will.

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I believe this. I don't believe that they have ever hypnotized anybody unless it was for a reason or a request of the earth people themselves.

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Another question in the audience, is the one over there?

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My question regards their religion. Now they say that they have one God like we do, and it so-called could be the same God because you say this God had a son.

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Now the God that I believe in created the heavens and the earth, but he only created Adam and Eve.

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And from Adam and Eve all our generations have come. Now where did these so-called space people come from?

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They have a written record of their world about 10,000 years.

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Behind that they say they have nothing on what they call a legend or a belief that has been handed down from generation to generation.

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They say that all the worlds that are out in our universe originated on this world here.

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Alright, then how did we get out there?

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If you will read up on our own scientists, you will find that they have always tried to claim that they have the evidence of a much higher civilized race of people before us that were much higher in every way than we are now, here on this earth.

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So that in pre-biblical times it was possible that we were visiting other planets?

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Yes, I think that is what these people believe. Although they say they have no proof that they came from this earth, this is what they believe.

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We'll be back in just a moment.

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Woodrow Derenberger and our previous gentleman have one more question before we move on.

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Yes, could you show me some physical proof of this space vision visit?

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If I wanted to show you physical proof, I could probably get it.

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But as I said, at the beginning of this I did try to show physical proof and was always called a liar or saying it was a fake or could be faked.

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And actually anything that I could get would or could be deprecated here on earth.

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What pictures did you attempt to show?

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Pictures online.

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Oh, pictures. What about artifacts, you know, the actual things?

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Anything that I could bring back, Alan, could be deprecated here.

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They have nothing on their world that we couldn't make here on our own earth.

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Except the flying saucer.

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They say we can also make this, that any time that our government will let them land and give them a guarantee they can land and leave at any time they want to.

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Gentlemen, the audience with the question?

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I'd like to inquire about, you were talking before, that you had communication with the aliens through telepathy.

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How does this telepathy work?

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This telepathy, they have told me everybody here on earth could use it if they knew how.

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But we first have to learn how to live one another and to partly trust one another.

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Because mental telepathy takes two people to use.

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It is not mind reading.

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They cannot read a person's mind.

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You have to learn to release the thought that you want released and also be able to pick it up.

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The way to do this, as they explained it to me, is simply by merely, like a daydream, simply wish, or let your thought drift out.

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Do not try to force it.

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Just simply release it from your mind and let it drift out.

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The person cannot force himself to hear.

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He can only want to hear and he will hear.

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Do you have this power of telepathy only with the aliens or can you direct it to other channels as well?

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I have only been able to talk with telepathy to two people from here on earth.

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One was a close friend, the other is my wife.

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We can only do this at certain times and sometimes when we both feel, I don't know how to explain it, when we feel this exactly right, I can get her thoughts or she can get mine.

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These people do not call it mental telepathy.

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They say it is thought transference and telepathy means an entirely different thing.

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Another question in the audience, the gentleman up at the top there.

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Or is there a lady down here with the question?

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The gentleman at the top.

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It's interesting to me that you're on the same show with the education people because a lot of what you say is the same as what they say.

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Now, for example, they talk about many planets, people living on other planets and so forth, but in one part of their readings they say that the people also dwell, earth people have dwell in between incarnations on other planets.

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And I'm wondering if any of the people here on earth were at one time on that planet that you're speaking about.

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That's one part of my question and the other part of my question is, since your contacts, contactees were interested in developing love and harmony between the people here,

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I'm wondering if they have had any suggestions as to how we can keep the black man and the white man from killing each other here on this earth and just how that would be implemented.

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And you might also tell me what they look like because you haven't mentioned that so far.

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Move there.

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These people on landulists, I will use landulists for an example.

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All of the whole world that they have told me to goes together. They're all practically the same as earth.

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They do have different colored people on them.

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They say that this is caused solely by the climate or what they have eaten for generation after generation.

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Now on landulists, they have different colored people.

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They have the black man, they have the yellow man, but they are not called as they call them here, a Japanese or a Negro or anything like this called.

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They are simply called landulisians. They are one and the same. There is no difference in them.

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The same God that made you, that's all there is to it. There's no difference.

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There is no racial strife or racial hatred. They love one another and they say they did this simply by trying to understand what God wanted them to do to actually put love into effect.

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Not talk about it and not think about it, but do it. Love your neighbor as you can.

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Do they intermarry? Do they intermarry?

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No, they do not. They say this is because of the children. Now wait a minute.

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They say it is because of the children that if they do, that the children will not be normal, but as far as if they would want to marry, there has been several cases of it and they do do it.

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What would be abnormal about the children if they were to marriage?

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They would be of a different color which would not be according to the climate and the things that would be something that would be difference in the blood.

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But they say that as far as they want to marry one another, if they want to, they are afraid to do it, except to the people.

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It's not amazing that you're right.

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But the real together in some cases they hate.

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Was there another question from the gentleman at the top? Who himself is the product of an intermarriage of some kind? Are you normal, sir?

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No, I'm not.

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Well, let me say I hope so too, sir.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I was interested again with regard to that other question I asked you, whether any of the people here on earth from your context would possibly be from your other planet?

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Yes, these people do believe in reincarnation.

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They say that a person could live on several different worlds during his step from one plane to another plane, that we always go forward. We never go backwards.

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We always come up just a little bit in a world that's a little bit better than the one before, or we would be.

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But they say you could be reincarnated from several different worlds.

412
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,000
But being the offspring of two different races myself, I would not be welcome on that new planet, is that right?

413
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
Oh, you'd be just as welcome there as you.

414
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Who would I fit in though? You say they don't like blacks and whites mixed up.

415
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I don't know how to explain what you're wanting to know. There is, actually, there is no blacks in the way that you were talking about.

416
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
They are land elysian. They are the same as we are.

417
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Why come they can't marry? Intermarry then?

418
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:36,000
I didn't say they couldn't marry. I said they didn't. I said also that some of them did. There is a few of them that married.

419
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There is no difference if they want to. It's simply up to the individual.

420
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
I'll go along with that. Now, we have a young lady down here with a question.

421
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Yes, I would like for you and your wife to converse in this language. Give us a further example. A poem or a song, something.

422
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
She does not talk in this language.

423
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Could you give us a poem or a song or a prayer?

424
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:01,000
No, I'm afraid I couldn't talk at that good. I have to stop the Stedarus family and think out what I'm going to say.

425
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
How have you communicated this many ideas with these people then if you can?

426
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,000
She talks perfect English. He also in what we call mental telepathy or thought transfer.

427
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:17,000
It is not a word. It is simply a thought. We transfer the thought into words ourselves.

428
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:30,000
In the same way, there is no language in this mental thought transference because a thought is not a spoken word until you would receive my thought and then you would transfer it into your own words.

429
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:36,000
But that's the way the brain operates. It transfers pictures in the mind into words.

430
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,000
A picture of a thought. It isn't a word until you speak it.

431
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Could you communicate to me then something like this?

432
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
I could try.

433
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
I think I know what he's thinking.

434
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:56,000
I'm sorry, Mrs. Karen Burger.

435
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000
I know what you mean.

436
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000
You know what he's thinking. It is more of a telepathy than you can imagine.

437
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Is there another question in the audience where we run almost out of time? We have another question over here?

438
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Yes, I'd like to know why they chose you. They must have had a reason.

439
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Why did they choose you?

440
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:23,000
They did not choose me deliberately. The night that I was stopped the first time I was traveling on interstate I-77,

441
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,000
I was in a Ford economy van hauling storage and sewing machines. It was raining.

442
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000
There was a car came up behind me, blinked his lights that he wanted to pass.

443
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
He did pass me at a very high rate of speed.

444
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:44,000
When he went to pass, he stopped the car. This ship was after or was going to stop him.

445
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000
But he came to this intersection. The spacecraft didn't want the cars there.

446
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
It could be a car from an accessory. He stopped the next car behind him, which is me.

447
00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Something else. On Alan Douglas' radio show not too long ago, I believe he was interviewing you over the telephone.

448
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000
You told him at that time that he would be contacted very soon.

449
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:12,000
At that night, there was supposed to be a sighting over Lake Erie somewhere.

450
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,000
The night that I said there would be a ship over Lake Erie, if you were out there that night,

451
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,000
you will also remember that the ships didn't show up, but several aircraft did show up overhead.

452
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Well, no, just that we live pretty close to the lake. But we never heard of any ships being sighted.

453
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
There wasn't because there was too many jet aircraft overhead at that time.

454
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000
They also heard my prophecy or whatever you want to call it, they would be there that night.

455
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,000
So there was too many planes in the area.

456
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Well, I seem to recall that night. It was a dark night, it was overcast, it was a bad weather night for small planes.

457
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:01,000
But there were some planes in the air. We did get some calls from some people who did go out and went up, as a matter of fact,

458
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,000
and who did see nothing. I have had no personal contact.

459
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Now there is a man in the audience that I'm given an understanding. We cannot identify.

460
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,000
We are not given the liberty tonight to reveal him. He's a native Clevelander. I have met this man before,

461
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:26,000
and he claims to have had contact with people, not only flying saucers, but with people on a CTS bus right here in this very area.

462
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:34,000
I'm not sure that the alien was not driving the bus, or for that matter, it may have been sitting in the back.

463
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
The gentleman up there with the question.

464
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Do other people on Lanyulus speak the same language, or do various dialects exist?

465
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:50,000
The people on Lanyulus itself, each world has a language of its own, but all of the world that belong to what they call the intergalactic circle

466
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:58,000
also has a universal language, and they all speak the same language.

467
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Another question?

468
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,000
I just want to ask him, how approximately compared to the other planets like Earth and Mars,

469
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,000
how big is this planet Lanyulus?

470
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:19,000
They tell me that Lanyulus is a little bit smaller than Earth, has a little less population.

471
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
All right, another question in the audience.

472
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
A lady? Or there we are.

473
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Do people on Lanyulus have problems with war, like Vietnam and so forth?

474
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
No, on the world of Lanyulus they have never had war.

475
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,000
They have only been three planets that they have ever told me about that was, or did have war.

476
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,000
These planets, after these people from Lanyulus and some other of the friendly planets,

477
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,000
they have been told that war has never been seen on that planet.

478
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,000
They have been told that they are doing to Earth now, did become one of the ways of the intergalactic circle,

479
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
and war has never been seen on that.

480
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,000
They had been taught mental telepathy and they lived the same as the other planets.

481
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
How did they achieve this? Through the total love?

482
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
How did they achieve this through love?

483
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000
They told me of what they called the legend of Lanyulus, which is a pretty long story,

484
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:19,000
but it was because they had separated at the landing of their ship and all of the crew had separated

485
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,000
and then when they got separated they became frightened and started wishing to get together again

486
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
and they did get back this way.

487
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000
All right, I'm afraid we have run out of time.

488
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,000
I was going to ask the audience, maybe we can take just another few seconds if we can.

489
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000
I'd like to find out from you how many of you have ever seen a flying saucer,

490
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
or what you believe to have been a flying saucer?

491
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000
I see perhaps five, six hands.

492
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:47,000
How many of you believe that Woody Derenberger is telling us the truth

493
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000
and believe that he has seen what he says he has seen?

494
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
I see a showing of perhaps half the hands in the audience.

495
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:59,000
How many of you believe that Woody Derenberger does not really believe that he saw what he tells us he sees,

496
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000
but is really putting us on or telling us a falsehood?

497
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:10,000
I see not quite the other half, but I would say about a third of the hands are showing.

498
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
I'm sorry that I can't ask everyone the same thing.

499
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Thank you very much for watching and listening to us tonight.

500
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I'll be on radio on WHK 1420 all week listening to what you have to say on Two-Way Radio.

501
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We'll be right back here again next week at the same time.